Apostate Kate

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  SUICIDE 'permanent solution to temporary problem'

  by DannyHaszard in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  some positive affirmations:

  "there is a (good) life after the watchtower cult"

  "well living is the best revenge"

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  Apostate Kate

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  Luz you simply must seek out a support system for you. It will not be easy because the only ones who can truly relate are those of us who have been through it. So if this Forum and others like it are all you got, stick with them while you actively look for more support.

  All communities have different types of support groups for depression etc. GO. Do you have a therapist? GET ONE. You deserve to be emotionaly well, and you can be.

  You ARE lovable, you ARE worthy, you will have many wonderful things in your life. That record that plays in your brain, the one that says "you are not good enough" you know that record. When it starts playing, that very second, take immediate action. Call a friend, log on and express yourself, exersize, put on some posative music, if you can't shake the recordings call your therapist. Don't waste another minute of this wonderful life being a Watchtower victim. That is the best way to beat them. SURVIVE with an abundant JOY.

  What we do when we leave the org is we internalize the pain. We turn it on ourselves because we have had to repress all our feelings for as long as we have been in it. We blame ourselves. This is what we have to change, the sooner the better.

  IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT. Life is beautiful. All of it. No more drinking! That just masks the pain. You need PTSD therapy. You need a safe way to experience the anger without turning it on yourself.

  La Luz es brillante! Aprende La Luz! (sp?)
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  More of Mormon similarities...

  by ringo5 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  got this post from an ex-mormon website and the similarities to the jw way of thinking are always enlightening.

  i've got lots of thoughts.

  there are lots of problems with mormonism, and in response mormons have developed a number of responses to "explain" them.

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  Apostate Kate

  I don't what Mormons you hang around with, but in all the years I've know many mormons, I've never heard even one of those seven listed. I've got Mormon friends and I know one active JW (and the experiences of dozens of EXs on this site), and let me tell you, the Mormons are NOTHING like the active dubs. Wacky doctrine, maybe....but as people (in general) you couldn't ask for anyone more genuine.

  I always say; if I coulda chosen which cult to be raised in it would have been Mormon. That way I could have gotten an education before I split.
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  More of Mormon similarities...

  by ringo5 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  got this post from an ex-mormon website and the similarities to the jw way of thinking are always enlightening.

  i've got lots of thoughts.

  there are lots of problems with mormonism, and in response mormons have developed a number of responses to "explain" them.

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  Apostate Kate

  CHRISTIAN;There is only one God (Isaiah 43:11; 44:6,8; 45:5) MORMON; "And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light (Book of Abraham 4:3) CHRISTIAN; God has always been God (Psalm 90:2; Isaiah 57:15) MORMON; "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345 CHRISTIAN; God is a spirit without flesh and bones (John 4:24; Luke 24:39) MORMON; "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22. Compare with Alma 18:26-27; 22:9-10)
  "Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38). CHRISTIAN; Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Isaiah 7:14; Matt. 1:23) MORMON; "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8: p. 115)
  "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine," by Bruce McConkie, p. 547) CHRISTIAN; Jesus is the eternal Son. He is second person of the Trinity. He has two natures. He is God in flesh and man (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2;9) and the creator of all things (Col. 1:15-17) MORMON; Jesus is the literal spirit-brother of Lucifer, a creation. (Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15)

  From the CARM site because I don't have access to anything but what they have washed over online. I did go through my Mormon stage. After the Dubs I explored everything. Elder 1 and Elder 2 came by. They totally deny the "Gospel Through the Ages" quote. But I have heard it from several people who had the book this this quote was authentic. They are a lot like dubs in that they do not reveal EVERYTHING. They get you hooked by entensive love bombing, then slowly you work your way up to getting sealed in the Temple for all eternity with your spouse so when you die you get to populate your own planet. I always wanted to know what the holy underwear looks like but they get very offended when you ask about them.
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  SUICIDE 'permanent solution to temporary problem'

  by DannyHaszard in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  some positive affirmations:

  "there is a (good) life after the watchtower cult"

  "well living is the best revenge"

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  Apostate Kate

  I took the suicide survey, I am missing something I'm sure, how do we get the results?
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  SUICIDE 'permanent solution to temporary problem'

  by DannyHaszard in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  some positive affirmations:

  "there is a (good) life after the watchtower cult"

  "well living is the best revenge"

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  Apostate Kate

  The people who have died around me either by instant suicide or slow suicide, well, there have been several factors besides the obvious emotional despair. They still had the JW belief system which basically tells a person;

  When you die you die, so end the suffering now. If you kill yourself now the worst that can happen is Jehovah may not "remember you" after Armageddon. What hope was there? Well lets see, stay in the truth, survive Armageddon, and bury 6 billion dead bodies amongst around 6 million Dubs, IF they all make it. Oh joy. What hope

  If anybody here has had these thoughts, it is a permanent solution to a temporary problem !

  You may feel that there is no way out. You may have all your family in the truth. Please listen; You can lose EVERYTHING, and still find joy, LOVE, happiness. The WTBTS has tried to convince us that the world is a bleak dark dangerous place. NOT true. You may think it is too late for you to start over, NOT true.

  The world is a BEAUTIFUL place. Each new day is a gift, wrapped in gold with a silk ribbon waiting for us to open to see the blessings inside. Sometimes the gift may be wrapped in brown paper with gum stuck to it, but the contents inside are STILL wonderful! A new day, a blue sky, the song of happy springtime birds looking for a place to nest. A childs smile in the grocery store. The kiss from a loyal beloved dog. PRECIOUS things!

  If you think; she has no idea how bad my life sucks...let me tell you...I have seen some pretty bad days. Danny has had some pretty bad days. YOU ARE NOT ALONE IN YOUR PAIN.

  Just believe, there is good life, after the Kingdom Hall. You are NOT damaged goods. You are worthy of being LOVED unconditionaly, and if you will believe and open up to it, love will find you. The darkenss will pass. It did for me, it will for you. Love~Kate
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  PREACHING has STOPPED / ARMAGEDDON has BEGUN !!

  by DannyHaszard in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  received via email from a supporter,has anyone heard of this watchtower cult development?

  {...i just wanted to let you know about some recent and alarming news in the wts.

  my sister, who is not baptized yet, has been going to the meetings on a regular basis with my mom, who is full time pioneer.

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  Apostate Kate

  I remember in the early 1970's ...it was when I think it was Nixon claiming world peace and security. It started another heated ferver due to that Scripture that says something about peace and security in the NWT and then the end will come. Must be just in the NWT cause nothing comes up under a search in the 7 or so English translations I have on my Swordsearch program. Anyone remember that?

  Anyway...same thing then. But I have noticed a curious absence of the JWs at the tables out in front of the stores. I ALWAYS went and talked to them. I haven't seen them for at least...6 months....I am not so vain as to think I had that much of an impact on them. They did come by the house one time since then (they don't know it's me the crazy blond that lives here). But not at the stores. I have told at least 25 from the local congo about the UN and what they would be told if they ask about it. (Library card) I went into loving detail at how to FIND the info on the official UN site.

  Danny..this is so interesting I feel compelled to attend a meeting and snoop. I'll need a disguise. I hope all who have family still in can help calm them if this is true.
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  What Would Jesus Do?

  by RevFrank in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  interesting topic...i've been thinking about any topic, then i ran into this one..why?

  just think....jesus didn't come into this world to judge, but to love and serve.

  peace

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  Apostate Kate

  I like the way John describes who what where and why Jesus is Jesus.

  John 1:2-5 The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness hasn't overcome it.

  Jesus is the Light of everything He created.
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  Gospel of Judas released

  by Ticker in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wasn't sure if this was already posted but it caught my eye as todays news headlines.

  here is the news release on it.

  friday, apr 07, 2006

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  Apostate Kate

  For each man kills the thing he loves,
  
  Yet each man does not die.

  Each man does die. The depth of compassion, goodness, is destroyed by evil. When the heart dies, the man dies.

  Matthew 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

  He wasn't talking about being more righteous on the outside like the WTBTS tried to tell us, but more righteous on the inside. Calling evil; evil, betrayal; betrayal, repenting when it resides in our spirits, was the message.

  To claim that betrayal was good, is against everything Jesus was about.
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  What Would Jesus Do?

  by RevFrank in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  interesting topic...i've been thinking about any topic, then i ran into this one..why?

  just think....jesus didn't come into this world to judge, but to love and serve.

  peace

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  Apostate Kate

  However, Christians have generally turned Jesus into a crowbar

  I dont consider all religions "Christians" just because they claim to be. The WTBTS never taught what Jesus did. In fact when I was a kid we were not even to consider ourselves Christians. We never used the word.

  There are few Christian religions that deny the divine nature of Christ. We have JWs, Mormons, and a variety of small cults. All other mainstream churches believe in the Deity of Christ. Calvary Chapel has NEVER "used" it or pushed it down anyones throat. If you believe, come worship with us. If you don't, don't. Even if you didn't believe you would still be welcome. But if you tried to proseletize, they would talk to you about it. All churches have a Doctrinal Statement.

  www.calvarychapel.com
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  What Would Jesus Do?

  by RevFrank in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  interesting topic...i've been thinking about any topic, then i ran into this one..why?

  just think....jesus didn't come into this world to judge, but to love and serve.

  peace

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  Apostate Kate

  I never see that in Scripture or Christianity. That to not accept the Divine nature of Christ brings punishment. What I see in Scripture is to accept and recieve Jesus as your Lord, God, Kurios, that it brings an abundance of joy and peace. The closer one gets to Jesus, the more one experiences grace and mercy.

  John 16:24 Until now, you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be made full.